George Russell has waited four years longer than expected for his first shot at the Formula 1 world title, but he says the way he feels about it is unexpected.
As fate would have it, the location for our interview has brought Russell full circle. On a glorious spring evening at Silverstone on Wednesday, the Mercedes driver is officially opening the British Grand Prix track's new karting centre.
Karting is where Russell first started out in motorsport more than 20 years ago. The place he is in now is where he always dreamed he would be when he took those first steps. He just thought it would happen a bit sooner.
When Russell, 28, joined Mercedes in 2022, he had already established himself as a rising star with impressive performances for back-of-the-grid Williams. His graduation came after a run of eight consecutive world championships for Mercedes, and in the wake of his then team-mate Lewis Hamilton's titanic and controversial title fight with Max Verstappen.
The expectation was that Mercedes would continue as a leading force, and Russell would test himself at the very front against the most successful driver of all time. He got to take on Hamilton—and come out on top in two of their three seasons together. But his arrival at Mercedes coincided with a dip in form for the team.
Now, finally, Mercedes are back at the front. Despite that, Russell says that, for him, nothing feels like it has changed.
"I was a bit surprised about that myself," he says. "I'm just going about my process day to day. Every time I get in a race car, I don't think about the big picture, which is winning the championship. I just think about here in the moment, you know, going out and qualifying. How am I going to drive the fastest lap possible for the race? How am I going to get the best race start, the best race? Trying to stand on the top step (of the podium) and just go about my business like that."
"Of course I know that we're in this fight, but it's not something that I'm even thinking about. Because I know to win the championship, you've just got to go through those processes."
This is, of course, what sports people always say. It's a variation of taking it one game at a time. The closest the Briton will get to acknowledging this year is special is to say that "there is definitely a slightly different intensity". But while this mental attitude is certainly a sportsperson's psychological trick, he insists there is nothing forced about it.
"It's just the mentality I've always had since I was a kid," he says. "Probably what my father ingrained in me, fighting for karting championships as a 10-year-old. I've been in this position, not in Formula 1, but I've been in that position as a kid in all of those various championships. And I knew what it took to win those championships at the time."
"The stakes are bigger today. But when I was in F4 fighting for the championship, that was the biggest thing in my life, same in F3. That felt like F1 to me at the time. And that's what allowed me to fight for those victories."
The season started well for Russell, with pole and victory in the opening race in Australia, and again in the sprint a week later in China. But since then things have gone awry.
A technical problem in grand prix qualifying in China let 19-year-old team-mate Kimi Antonelli slip in for pole position, from where the Italian took his maiden victory. In Japan two weeks later, before the five-week break enforced on F1 by the cancellation of the Bahrain and Saudi Arabian Grands Prix, bad luck with the timing of a safety car relegated Russell and promoted Antonelli, who won again, while Russell could manage only fourth.
So Antonelli takes a nine-point lead into the next race, in Miami at the beginning of May.
Russell is sanguine about that, and points out that the fact that Mercedes are dominating somewhat skews the dynamic of the contest.
"At the moment, we're just battling against one another," Russell says. "Last year, if you qualified a couple of 10ths behind one another, there was probably four or five cars in between. If you made a bad start, you couldn't just make your way back up to the front like we're doing at the moment. So we were punished for our mistakes. This year, so far, we're not really getting punished for our mistakes."
Russell is too cute to make it explicit that the last remark is a reference to Antonelli's own race in Japan, where a bad start dropped him down the field before he recovered. Indeed, Antonelli has made bad starts at all three races so far. And Russell is quick to add: "He's a fantastic driver. I saw it last year. He showed lots of signs of great speed. But it's very early days and I'm sure it's going to be very close."
Would Russell want it to stay this way, or does he hope another team can improve enough for their drivers to get involved?
"I've got to be honest," he says, "I do love the competition. It just keeps it exciting. I love winning when there is massive competition. And that's like every day of life. I want my competitor to be given everything because I want to be able to... I want to beat them knowing they've given it their all. And that's what drives me. So my view is the more the merrier."
One person very obviously missing from the title battle this year is Verstappen, whose Red Bull team have had a difficult start to the season. Does Russell wish he was in the fight?
"Yeah, I do," he says.
It's no secret that Russell and Verstappen have not always seen eye to eye; they've had a couple of very public disagreements, during which neither has held back in expressing their view of the other's character.
I ask how things are between them these days. "They're fine," Russell says. "We've got a bit of respect for one another. And I respect a lot what he does on track. And I respect what he's doing at the moment. He's off racing his GT cars, enjoying himself a lot. And in all honesty, if I was a four-time world champion, I'd probably be doing the same. Because he's achieved what I'm striving towards now. I wouldn't forgive myself looking back if in a championship fight I was off doing other activities. But if you've accomplished all that he's accomplished, good for him."
Verstappen has been the most outspoken of all the drivers about the new rules that have been introduced into F1 this year, which have given Mercedes the chance to leap back to the front. "Mario Kart", "Formula E on steroids" and "anti-racing" are just three of the catchy phrases Verstappen has used to describe driving these new cars, which have engines with a 50-50 split between internal combustion and electrical power.
They require energy management around the lap, have been criticised for preventing drivers going flat-out in qualifying. And while there has been a lot more overtaking, even this has not always been seen as a positive, as some of it comes about only because of hugely varying battery charge levels inherent in the rules.
Verstappen is far from the only driver to criticise the new rules. Russell, though, feels differently.
"I definitely don't share that at all," he says. "I'm personally really enjoying the car. The power-unit and the engine is definitely different. And it just needs some fine-tuning to really optimise it. But it's given an opportunity to battle harder, and back-and-forth racing."
"We're here at a kart track now. And Lewis made a great point - in a kart race, you overtake one corner, he overtakes back. And they overtake back again. And no one's ever called that Mario Kart or yo-yo racing or whatever the terminology is. We actually call it pure racing and great racing."